personal progress & a question of preference

Well, rman, Girl Next Door, and Belle suggested that I keep you updated...and since I'm pretty new to this, I thought it might help to see what you all have to say about my progress too...

When you last heard from me, I was asking for advice on self-denial. I'm able to make myself come without touching myself at all, so making the decision to take my hands away was never enough...I needed to know how to take better control of my body. After working on all of your suggestions, I've been able to identify exactly what my body does when I come. As I get closer to orgasm, I spread my legs, lean my head back, arch my back, rhythmically tense and relax my stomach to rock my hips, hold my breath, and of course feel my pussy clenching as if warning me that the orgasm is coming. When I actually do come, I hold my breath before letting it out in a whimper, throw my head back before letting it fall forward, keep my stomach tensed, and bend my legs and pull them closer to my body...and depending on my technique and position, I either spread them wider or clamp them shut when I come, and I haven't quite figure out what causes the difference in reactions. I've found that disrupting these actions can hold off orgasm, although some actions work better than others. I've had the most success with straightening my legs rather than letting myself pull them up, and breathing slow and deep rather than holding my breath...but it seems that even if I disrupt all my usual rhythms and don't touch myself at all, I can still make myself come just by continuing to tense my stomach and allowing my pussy to clench...and since it's the least voluntary of all these actions, it's also the hardest to stop. I needed a solution.

So...I'm single right now (hence the interest in self-denial) but I have exes that I "play" with on a regular basis. Last night I asked an observant ex-girlfriend to come over and help me out. I told her everything I had figured out by following your advice, and asked her for ideas. She made me come once, then had me lay down on the floor and try to come again without touching myself. She watched carefully, and when I was very close she told me to stop moving altogether, which was almost impossible. At that point my pussy was throbbing and just beginning to clench, and it was so hard to relax my stomach and stop bucking my hips when I was so close...so my ex got down on the floor with me and held me still. She even put her hands on my stomach and made me concentrate on my stomach muscles and think about keeping them still, while breathing deep and slow. I was finally able to calm myself down, and she rewarded me by stroking my clit till I came. Once I had sufficiently recovered from that, she said she had an idea, and told me to do sit-ups until I couldn't do anymore. I followed her orders, and when I was done she told me to try again to come without touching myself. I couldn't! No matter how hard I tried...I just didn't have the strength left in the muscles in my stomach. Of course, it was also a bit harder to come when she finally helped me out, but it felt wonderful to try and try and not be able to put myself over the edge. That's never happened to me before. Whenever I've played with denial, I've always known in the back of my mind that I could eventually make myself come no matter what...whether I was tied up, or left without anything to play with, or whatever. So it was very nice to finally experience true denial and really be on the edge.

Now, wondering a bit about preference...

As I said, I'm pretty new to denial. I had played with teasing in the past, and I had always loved holding off orgasm when my partner and I tried to come simultaneously (I'm very sensitive, so I'm almost always the first to come). I found that I loved saying "please, please, can I come yet?" and becoming increasingly desperate to let it happen, and fighting for control over myself...it was almost painful, but in a wonderful way. And personally, I'm not interested in serious D/S play or in longterm orgasm denial...I just liked being challenged to reach my orgasm a certain way or after a certain time, and that requires actually reaching an orgasm. :) Anyway, I thought I was the only one, till I stumbled upon the old Yahoo group, and finally found my way here. And I've found there are as many preferences for orgasm denial as their are people in the group!

So I'm wondering, what is it that you love about orgasm denial? (For example, for me it's being challenged, begging, and of course the physical feeling of being so hot and so wet and so tight that I think it can't possibly get any worse, but it does.) And do you all prefer long-term denial, or are any of you into short-term stuff like me?

Okay, all my posts won't be as long as this! Lol. Thanks for reading.

Comments

You are so cool! That is inc

You are so cool! That is incredible control over your body. It is amazing that you can come without touching and even more incredible that you are training yourself to be able to not. Mongojerry has some interest in my being able to come on command and for a short time started "training" me but we somehow lost that in the shuffle of denial and didn't go back to it as of yet. I can hold back for a while--direct stimulation on my clit, I say "may I come?" and he says no and I hold off, but only for a short time. I don't think he ever does that when he is not intending to let me come that day. I don't say it until I am very close, I think he knows that, and if I say "may I come?" and I'm not getting it at all, he removes the stimulation. (He may bring it back after a few moments, but he breaks the rhythm and I relax.) So if you can come without being touched and can actually train yourself not to, I will be so impressed. The sit-up technique is brilliant. Tire out those muscles!

In terms of your other question, there has been a poll posted here for quite a while that touches on that exact question. For me, it is all about D/s. I'm interested in all the posts here about self-denial, but I don't think I would ever do it on my own. Maybe I'm wrong. Once we watched a Hogtied clip of a lesbian being tortured by a man. Part of the point of the clip was the mindfuck of her actually not wanting to be aroused by a man, but her body was so aroused by the bondage and torture that her body betrayed her. She was aroused, achieved orgasm and came back again. So maybe I'm now addicted to the physical euphoria of denial and could self-induce and want to continue to do so, but I doubt it. I think I need that dominant partner.

I didn't mean to post so long. My own denial and current sexual charge is driving me on I guess.

--t

I as well need that dominant

I as well need that dominant partner for it to be anything really serious (like longer than a few weeks). Unfortunately, I don't have one. So I do what I gotta do since I crave the denial feelings. It's definitely not the same, though. Not that I'd know what it was like to have the partner, but I can just imagine. heh

As for me, what I love about the denial most right now is the near constant state of arousal. I have a difficult time becoming aroused, always have. The feelings are there but they are somewhat muted if that makes sense. And I don't get very wet in the beginning.

A few years ago, I came across a bdsm type story where the Dom was teasing the sub but refused to let her come. And the idea was born. After that I searched for anything I could on the subject of denial and finally came across the old yahoo group. Going back through the archives, I read about angel_b and her very long term denial periods and something just really clicked with me. I realized I wanted to try that myself, possibly even for the length of time she did (which I think was around 4 or 5 months if memory serves).

Now, I doubt seriously I could go that length of time without a partner controlling it but it's become somewhat of a goal of mine to at least go a month. I would feel such a sense of accomplishment over that! Not exactly something you can put on the old resume, though. LOL

It's also about the control and power, handing that over to someone, trusting them to take care of me, that is a big part of the interest. I hope when I do meet Mr. Right, he'll be willing to experiment with this with me because it's not something I could just do with anyone I don't think.

Until then, I go it alone. ;)

Thank you! I'm not sure if i

Thank you! I'm not sure if it's really control, though...it's more like I'm naturally really sensitive, and I know how to exploit it. When I make myself come without touching, it's basically the same as masturbation, I have to be turned on and then I can use all the motions of my body that I know will excite the right places. I don't think I could ever learn to come on command...I still have to go through the whole process to get to orgasm.

That poll is actually what inspired me to ask my question...I thought the answers were interesting, I wanted to know the detailed explanations behind them. Thanks for answering. It's very interesting...I don't know if I could ever handle the "mindfuck" aspect, but then again I've always liked my partners to have a little more control over the situation when we have sex, and I do love begging to come, so sometimes I wonder if this is eventually going to be my entry in D/s. So I do love to hear about people who are into the D/s aspect.

That's so interesting that yo

That's so interesting that you love denial because it makes it easier to become aroused. I've oftened wondered if the reason I like denial is because I get aroused so ridiculously easily (at least physically speaking) so denial makes sex more challenging for me...it seems like the desire for denial comes from all kinds of places! ;)

One month would be really impressive...I would be so proud of you if you did that! Lol. I don't think I ever could, that would take so much control and willpower that I just don't have, so it's amazing to me when people can do things like that.

As for Mr. Right, I don't think he's right unless he's willing to experiment. I think I have a little submissiveness in me, but I'm not really into BDSM...I don't like to be told what to do, I just like what I call being "used," just being laid down and then having whatever my partner wants to do done to me. There have definitely been partners that were bothered by that and refused, and I dropped them right away. If we're not willing to try new things for each other, it's not much of a relationship, right?

Good luck on going it alone! I know it's silly, but I feel almost like we're all in this together...I'm totally rooting for everyone here to succeed with their respective denial goals. :)

"I don't know if I could ever

"I don't know if I could ever handle the "mindfuck" aspect, but then again I've always liked my partners to have a little more control over the situation when we have sex, and I do love begging to come, so sometimes I wonder if this is eventually going to be my entry in D/s. So I do love to hear about people who are into the D/s aspect."

I guess I was a little unclear. For the Hogtied.com clip, the lesbian being with a man was not her natural inclination, and thus the mindfuck. For me, denying myself would be not my natural inclination and I would have to trick myself into it. But I imagine I could still get a high from it. After all, most people think sex is better than masturbation, but they still do it when the alternative is not available.

Maybe you'll soon find yourself a dominant. . .

submissive

I like it that I have lots of room to experiment sexually. Not with different people, only one, but hopefully we will still be "experimenting" when we are eighty.

I am way closer to a novice than an expert, but you may be more into BDSM than you realize. There is so much variety in there. I personally differentiate between "submissive" and "bottom". Maybe they are synonyms, but what you are saying would class you as a "bottom" in my understanding. I don't think you need to "like being told what to do" to qualify as a sub.

Oh, I understand. Sorry, I m

Oh, I understand. Sorry, I misunderstood...yeah, that part of it is really interesting, doing what you are not naturally inclined to do. I've never thought about it that way.

hmm...can you tell me more about the difference?

I've never really heard "bottom" used in reference to BDSM, so I'd like to hear more about your differentiation. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as really ignorant about BDSM too...all I know about it comes from what I've read/seen on the Internet (which is not always terribly clear, obviously), plus a couple of friends who used to talk about it.

Novice?

I'm not sure you're as much a novice as you see yourself. :)

Is it BDSM?

Angeline writes:

"I think I have a little submissiveness in me, but I'm not really into BDSM...I don't like to be told what to do, I just like what I call being "used," just being laid down and then having whatever my partner wants to do done to me."

I think that's definitely BDSM. It doesen't have to be all whips and leather to qualify. Your desire to be laid down and used, taken, is an exchange of power and to me that's the core of BDSM. (It's also really hot, by the way.)

It also does not have to involve restraints to be BDSM but I do wonder--what is it you dream of here? Being laid down on the bed, perhaps wrists held above your head as your body is explored and used for his pleasure or having him lay you down and tie your wrists and ankles to the corners of the bed, perhaps blindfold you, and then do whatever he likes to you? Or perhaps you don't picture being held or tied down at all but rather submissively lying on your back and closing your eyes, or perhaps looking into his, as you allow him to do to you whatever he likes? Do you picture being taken slowly and gently or do you imagine it's more forceful?

My guess is it's all of those things and more. In any event, it seems to me it's definitely BDSM.

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Predicament Bondage

So... tired stomach muscles, legs in unnatural positions, and being unable to move your hips would affect things?

I think you should look into predicmant bondage, which is kind of putting the sub "between rock and a hard place". Luvbight can get too extreme for some, but take a look at this and the next two pics after it. I'd imagine that something like that would prevent you from... umm... helping yourself.

Or maybe being tied standing on the balls of one foot, with the other leg held up straight and wide by a rope that goes up over, and back down to become a tight crotch rope, keeping you off balance.

Not really something you can safely do by yourself... and you might not even want it to actually happen... but I thought you'd enjoy the thoughts.

Predicaments

subtease, thanks for that link--it was. . . inspiring. Also looks perfect for Angeline, I agree. I've seen Luvbight pics scattered around but somehow never found my way to their site. Much to enjoy and learn from there. Perhaps even to emulate someday. :)

from top to bottom

I've been waiting for someone else to jump in, but oh well. The bottom is the receiver and the top the giver. I myself have always felt rather selfish for being the bottom, but hey, if he likes it, why should I complain! The top runs the show. The bottom may pleasure the top but under his direction. In other words, the bottom is the sub and the top is the dom. Some people switch. They take turns topping.

But the words work in a very limited context. It doesn't have to be a relationship any longer than the scene that is being played at that particular moment.

I am not particularly well-read, but my personal bible is Screw the Roses, Give me the Thorns: the Romance and Sexual Sorcery of Sadomasochism by Philip Miller and Molly Devon. I highly reccommend it as an intro to BDSM.

Yikes!

And again, yikes!

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Agreed.

I also really liked the excercise predicaments.

I'm especially jealous of the Kink in the Carribean pics. It looks like it would be a fun time for kinky exhibitionists. I wish I was wired that way.

Hedonism II is a fun resort, I'm told, even without a kinky conference renting out the place. Even so, I'm still amazed that bondage is allowed around and in the pool! I'd guess anyone who goes there is serious and therefore plays responsibly, but dang!

Hello! Sorry to reply so lat

Hello! Sorry to reply so late...things just got away from me. You said:

"I think that's definitely BDSM. It doesen't have to be all whips and leather to qualify. Your desire to be laid down and used, taken, is an exchange of power and to me that's the core of BDSM. (It's also really hot, by the way.)"

You're right. I guess, maybe like a lot of people, I've always identified BDSM with the whips & leather aspect, and not as much with the simple exchange of power. So I'm discovering more and more about what it really means to be submissive, and thinking I may have more of a sub in me than I originally thought. (And: Lol, thank you.)

I think, though, that my interest in teasing/denial comes first...all of my submissiveness comes back to wanting to be teased. Which means, to answer your next questions, I've mostly fantasized about simply lying back and being "taken." It doesn't matter whether it's forceful or gentle. However, very recently I've developed an interest in being tied...maybe having my hands tied above my head, or my feet tied to the bedposts to keep my legs spread. There was a clip on Hogtied that was basically a lesson in tying people up, and at one point the woman is about to be suspended in the air (which seems like it would be really hot, to come in midair), and the man tying her up helps to support her as she takes her foot off the ground...I loved that she could have so much trust in him, and simply do what he wanted without any fear.

Also, you asked whether I fantasize about being held down, which I do, but in a certain way...I will address that in a new entry very soon.

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